Capitol riot shook loyalties of Trump aides, new transcripts show - USA TODAY

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On Jan. 6, 2021, immoderate of Donald Trump's aides sought desperately to get him to denounce violence, others were frustrated oregon disillusioned by the president's nonaccomplishment to abide by predetermination results.

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  • Trump's closest associates spent hours with investigators, often nether oath.
  • Trump's oldest lad and girl spoke of frustrations, urgent efforts to get him to bash more.
  • Top White House aides feared their careers, bequest tarnished alongside Trump's owed to violence.

The House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, Capitol battle released a monolithic trove of documents earlier this week that shed caller airy connected however immoderate of Donald Trump’s closest advisors and household members were tested by the president’s refusal to quickly and publically effort to halt the convulsive insurrection against the spot of American democracy.

The thousands of pages of recently released interrogation transcripts amusement however even Trump’s ain childrenIvanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr. – desperately tried to get Trump to contented an unequivocal nationalist statement. It would not lone halt radical from getting injured oregon killed astatine the Capitol, they argued, but assistance protect Trump’s legacy from being tarnished by the mob protestation that helium himself had encouraged during a code earlier successful the time astatine a rally a fewer blocks away.

Ivanka Trump, a elder White House advisor and Trump’s eldest daughter, told the committee she ‘fought similar hell’ to bash the champion she could, including nonstop appeals to Trump arsenic helium watched the unit unfold portion relaxing successful his statesmanlike eating room.

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Others, the caller transcripts show, were furious with the president, claiming his nonaccomplishment to forcefully respond tarnished not lone his bequest but their ain arsenic well. “It was wholly unnecessary and incredibly unfortunate,” apical Trump advisor Hope Hicks testified astir the convulsive protests of Jan. 6. The committee besides released a upland of substance messages it obtained during its 18-month investigation, including 1 from Hicks to different White House official, lamenting that due to the fact that of Trump, “We each look similar home terrorists now.”

Here's what 11 of them had to say:

Ivanka Trump

Ivanka Trump told the January 6 committee that she learned of unit astatine the Capitol Jan. 6, 2021, erstwhile apical Trump advisor Eric Herschmann “barged” into her bureau and told her to crook the tv on.

Within minutes, she said, she rushed to the Oval Office, done a pantry and into the president’s backstage eating room, wherever she urged him to nonstop retired a tweet. When the unit continued, she helped him draught another. “It was important to underscore the goal,” she told the committee. “Here helium says, you know, precise specifically, 'No violence!' with an exclamation mark.” Once instrumentality enforcement began restoring bid astatine the Capitol, Ivanka Trump said discussions turned to what the president should accidental much formally the adjacent day, making definite to guarantee the American radical determination would beryllium a peaceful transportation of powerfulness to Biden.

Grilled by committee members connected wherefore she didn’t bash much to halt her begetter from perpetuating mendacious claims of a stolen predetermination oregon amerciable attempts to overturn it, Ivanka said she didn’t the champion she could. “I intervened erstwhile I felt similar I had the cognition and was apprised of the conversations and could bash so,” she said. “But he's the President of the United States. I'm his advisor, and I'm 1 of galore advisors. I'm besides his daughter.”

“I fought similar hellhole to bash the champion occupation I could,” she said.

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Donald Trump Jr.

Donald Trump Jr. described moving done White House main of unit Mark Meadows to propulsion his begetter into condemning the violence as it was occurring. “Again, you know, I deliberation I made it beauteous wide … unit has nary spot successful this situation," helium told the committee.

Trump’s eldest lad was worried, arsenic helium texted Meadows that day, that the president’s detractors “will effort to f--- his full bequest connected this if it gets worse.” In a 4:05 p.m. follow-up, according to texts obtained by the committee, helium was adjacent much urgent: "We request an oval address. He has to pb now. It’s gone excessively acold and gotten retired of hand." Seven minutes later, Trump Jr. lamented how, "Now Biden beating america to the punch" successful condemning the Capitol attack, the committee disclosed successful its May 3 interview with him.

But Trump Jr. told committee investigators helium didn’t callback talking to anyone astatine the White House oregon Trump’s interior ellipse to get his begetter to bash much that day, including his sister Ivanka Trump, who was a elder advisor to the president astatine the time. And asked whether helium talked personally with his begetter arsenic the Jan. 6 events were unfolding, Trump Jr. said, “Not to my recollection, but, you know, you could evidently cheque the White House telephone logs oregon my phone. And, you know, possibly I did, but I don't retrieve it.”

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Jared Kushner

By the clip White House adjutant Jared Kushner got disconnected an planetary formation and arrived astatine the White House the day of Jan. 6, 2021, his efforts to propulsion Donald Trump into issuing a beardown connection condemning the rioters and urging bid had failed, helium told the committee. Worse, helium said, erstwhile Trump had made his video saying helium loved the protesters, “he was fundamentally retiring for the day.”

So Kushner said his absorption – and that of his wife, Ivanka Trump – turned to “okay, what bash we deliberation we could bash time to effort to, you know, marque things amended than they are today. … It was a precise shocking and unexpected situation.”

Meeting with different White House officials and Trump’s interior circle, Kushner said, helium was pushing for the president to marque remarks aft Congress reconvened and finished its predetermination certification that accomplished 3 things: a stronger telephone for de-escalation and non-violence, to “explicitly accidental we'd been doing a transportation of power,” and to specifically condemn the mob attack. “You don’t ever springiness him what you would say,” Kushner said of Donald Trump. “You springiness him what you deliberation helium would say.” But, helium added nether respective hours of questioning by the committee, helium mostly failed successful getting Trump to contented those kinds of stong and unequivocal statements.

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Cassidy Hutchinson

Cassidy Hutchinson was utilized to moving for a mercurial president erstwhile she worked astatine the White House arsenic a apical adjutant to Meadows. But the deterioration and teardrop deed her hardest successful the months aft leaving the job, worrying she hadn’t done capable to forestall the Capitol attack.

In transcripts, details astir the chaos of Jan. 6, 2021, came into sharper focus. Hutchinson said Meadows routinely burned documents successful his bureau fireplace alternatively than placing them successful authoritative pain bags for delicate records. After the mob chanted to bent Vice President Mike Pence, Meadows quoted Trump saying thing similar “Mike Pence deserves to beryllium f------ hung,” Hutchinson said. Trump's tweet astatine 2:24 p.m. connected Jan. 6, 2021, questioning Pence's courageousness turned the faithful adjutant against her boss.  

"As an American, I was disgusted. It was unpatriotic, it was un-American. We were watching the Capitol gathering get defaced implicit a lie," Hutchinson said of Trump's tweet astir Pence successful her bombshell nationalist grounds earlier the committee connected June 28. Months aft the attack, Hutchinson confided her concerns astir not doing much to forestall the unit successful a 20-minute telephone with White House information authoritative Anthony Ornato, who assured her she did each she could.

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Hope Hicks

Hope Hicks, possibly Trump’s closest adjutant and non-family confidante for galore years, spent the 2 days earlier Jan. 6, 2021, trying – unsuccessfully – to get Trump to telephone for non-violence arsenic his supporters massed successful the superior for a “Stop the Steal” protest.

“I conscionable had a atrocious feeling astir the full thing,” Hicks told the committee successful a lengthy Oct. 25 deposition. “I conscionable felt similar nary bully was going to travel of an lawsuit of that size successful the mediate of Washington, D.C.” She didn’t spell to the White House connected Jan. 6, 2021, but with the riot successful afloat swing, she texted a White House authoritative to kick astir her boss. “In 1 day, helium ended each aboriginal accidental that doesn’t see speaking engagements astatine the section arrogant boy’s chapter. … We each look similar home terrorists now.” She texted different White House staffer to say, "Attacking the VP? WTF is incorrect with him?" according to texts released by the committee.

So what did you mean by that, Hicks was asked by a committee investigator. “I conscionable felt similar that was, it was conscionable similar everything other that day,” she responded. “It was wholly unnecessary and incredibly unfortunate.”

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Eric Herschmann

Eric Herschmann, a White House lawyer who worked with Trump’s idiosyncratic lawyer Rudy Giuliani arsenic a national authoritative and who defended Trump astatine his archetypal impeachment, said the president’s tweet questioning Pence’s courageousness shocked the full staff.

“I was a authoritative and (had) issues wherever constabulary are changeable and agents are changeable and radical person died. And it’s been chaotic,” Herschmann said. “But determination was a implicit and utter authorities of shock.”

Minutes aft the tweet, Herschmann handed Meadows a handwritten enactment suggesting what Trump should accidental to condemn the violence. But Trump ne'er delivered the words.

“People thought precise overmuch that the violence, you know, was a unspeakable mode to extremity what a batch of radical had committed themselves to nationalist work for,” Herschmann said.

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Anthony Ornato

Anthony Ornato, a Secret Service authoritative elaborate to the White House arsenic lawman main of unit for operations, said helium didn’t interact overmuch with Trump due to the fact that of his familiarity with a rigid concatenation of bid successful instrumentality enforcement. His soundlessness continued contempt his affectional absorption to the Capitol attack.

After learning astir 1:30 p.m. connected Jan. 6, 2021, that 2 constabulary officers were knocked unconscious defending the Capitol and being taken to the hospital, Ornato brought a handwritten enactment astir the 2 injured officers to Meadows, who was gathering with Trump successful a eating room. Their speech stopped arsenic Ornato entered the room.

“I was passageway visioned astatine the main of staff,” Ornato, who described himself arsenic “emotional that officers were hurt,” told the committee. “I handed him the enactment and I turned astir and walked out.” 

Kayleigh McEnany 

Kayleigh McEnany, who served arsenic the erstwhile president’s property caput done the last days of his administration, said she encouraged Trump connected Jan. 7, 2021, to marque comments that would heal the state from the unit that happened the time before.

In her grounds to the Jan. 6 committee, McEnany said she walked into the Oval Office to talk with Trump and said she wanted to bash a property league connected healing the state that would beryllium followed by Trump’s ain remarks, and that Trump was receptive to the idea. “It was important to maine to assistance to heal the state and usage the podium to bash that.”

McEnany besides told the committee that, successful retrospect, it would person been amended if comments that Trump made Jan. 7, 2021 happened the time before, but she said determination were “certain realities” connected Jan. 6, 2021, specified arsenic the Washington, D.C, mayor imposing a curfew and main of unit Mark Meadows telling her to spell home.

Rudy Giuliani

Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani argued passim his 245-page deposition that Trump won the 2020 election, but the protestation astatine the Capitol implicit the results should ne'er person turned violent.

Giuliani said the 8 national judges Trump appointed among the 60 cases to cull election-fraud claims “didn’t privation to get involved.” Giuliani repeatedly refused to reply questions based connected attorney-client privilege, but said Trump agreed with his appraisal the riot was “enormously destructive to Donald Trump.”

“I’m precise disappointed that our radical would bash this,” Giuliani said helium told Trump. “He agrees with that, yeah.”

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Pat Cipollone

Pat Cipollone, past White House counsel, was arrogant to enactment successful the White House, arrogant to service the president, helium said. But by Jan. 6, 2021, helium was already contemplating resignation adjacent earlier seeing the images connected tv of rioters breaching the Capitol, helium said successful his July 8 testimony.

Cipollone went to Meadows' bureau and yet the president’s backstage eating country disconnected the Oval Office to request "an contiguous and forceful effect (and) public statement, that radical request to permission the Capitol now,” Cipollone told the committee. He declined to uncover nonstop communications with Trump, saying they were privileged and protected from disclosure. But Cipollone told the committee he thought tweets weren’t enough. “I believed much needed to beryllium done,” helium said. 

That week, Cipollone considered resigning but yet stayed on. “One happening I was acrophobic astir is if radical successful the counsel's bureau left, who would regenerate me?” He told the committee what happened Jan. 6, 2021, “cannot beryllium justified successful immoderate signifier oregon fashion.”

“It's not who we are successful this country," helium said. "I was feeling that successful the strongest imaginable presumption connected that time and consequent to that day.”

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Kellyanne Conway

Kellyanne Conway, who near her occupation arsenic an adjutant to Trump successful August 2020, said she considered the predetermination settled successful precocious 2020 and expressed skepticism to Trump astir whether the claims of fraud helium was proceeding would alteration the result of the election.  Although she kept speaking with the erstwhile president, including for a luncheon connected Dec. 22, 2021, she said they ne'er talked about the onslaught and she recovered retired astir the unit watching it connected tv astatine her location successful New Jersey.  

Conway testified that connected the day of Jan. 6, aft seeing the violence, she rapidly got a telephone fig for Nick Luna, an adjutant who she knew would beryllium lasting adjacent to Trump. She told Luna, “You’ve got to archer the President to archer radical to get retired of there. Like, I don’t cognize what’s going on. Nobody tin marque consciousness of this. But helium has to – he has to archer them to get retired of there.” 

When Luna offered to enactment Conway connected the telephone with Trump, she said she declined and said they tin talk later. She said she did not effort to interaction Trump directly. She said portion she usually calls Trump done the switchboard, that takes a agelong time, and Trump doesn’t ever person his compartment telephone connected him. “I said, ‘Add my sanction to the chorus of radical calling.’ I was perfectly convinced radical were calling from everyplace and moving astir the spot trying to marque consciousness of it all.” 

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