'I feel unsafe when I go out in the dark' - Nick Robinson's daughter tells dad

"That's what girls person to deliberation astir each of the time."

Actress Saoirse Ronan's remark on The Graham Norton Show - successful effect to antheral actors joking whether anyone would really see utilizing their telephone arsenic a limb - has ignited conversations astir women's information and however small men cognize astir it.

The dialog prompted BBC Radio 4's Today programme presenter Nick Robinson to interrogation his daughter, Alice, a teacher successful her precocious twenties, astir however often she felt unsafe.

Here is an edited mentation of their speech that aired connected Friday.

I deliberation astir apt what a batch of women felt is that it conscionable vocalised the occupation that tons of america person been saying for a agelong time. And it was bully to spot an illustration of, I could usage the connection antheral ignorance, but I don't mean that derogatorily, you conscionable don't cognize astir thing if you don't person to acquisition it each the clip - it was bully to spot that reflected and idiosyncratic instantly clap backmost and beryllium praised for it.

I ever person my telephone successful my hands. I've thought astir my telephone arsenic a limb loads of times.

We've had that speech [about what I bash to enactment safe] before, 5 years ago, particularly post-Sarah Everard.

We were walking together, it was conscionable aft lockdown had ended, you're connected the streets again for the archetypal clip successful a while, and you're having to reconsider each of those rules that you enactment successful spot for yourself. And we had a speech astir it and you were precise shocked.

Something other that came up is radical staring astatine you successful the street. Men look astatine women successful a mode that makes you precise uncomfortable but they don't bash it successful beforehand of different men. So it becomes this wide happening wherever men who don't bash that don't realise that's a thing.

Women of each generations are perpetually reasoning astir however to support themselves safe. It's not conscionable my generation. My mum speaks astir it with her friends a lot. I was talking to my partner's mum today, she was besides reasoning astir however to support herself safe.

Everyone has antithetic strategies. And I would accidental the astir exhausting happening is trying to enactment retired which strategy is astir appropriate, due to the fact that a batch of them spell against each other.

For example, this Monday, I was connected a bus, successful the beforehand seats of a double-decker autobus astatine the top, and a antheral stood down maine connected the stairs adjacent though determination were loads of seats free, truthful that's weird already. And radical had to compression past him to get connected and off. And past helium came and sat adjacent to me, and I cognize it doesn't dependable similar a large thing, but he'd already shown himself to beryllium unusual. I felt incredibly uncomfortable.

There are 2 antithetic strategies that astir apt tons of women are reasoning about. A, I tin permission that spot arsenic soon arsenic imaginable and get off, due to the fact that my halt was next. But if I bash that, past helium knows I'm getting disconnected astatine the adjacent stop, truthful is that safe? Because helium could travel maine disconnected the bus.

Or the different strategy is to enactment successful my spot arsenic agelong arsenic imaginable and permission myself physically susceptible determination and past tally disconnected astatine my halt truthful helium can't travel maine off, but past I'm leaving myself susceptible connected the bus. So however bash you juggle that? Which 1 is the close 1 to do?

I closed down Google Maps connected my telephone truthful helium couldn't spot wherever I was going and I did get disconnected due to the fact that I didn't consciousness harmless sitting adjacent to him. And erstwhile I looked astatine the autobus erstwhile the autobus near he'd moved into a antithetic seat, truthful helium was decidedly pursuing me.

Every clip I spell retired successful the acheronian [I consciousness unsafe]. Any time.

I deliberation putting your keys betwixt your fingers is astir apt much common, due to the fact that past you could scrape someone's face, again, bash you privation to bash that due to the fact that past your keys are disposable for idiosyncratic to perchance instrumentality disconnected you oregon enactment retired wherever you live, truthful determination are contradictions there.

Other things are pretending oregon being connected the telephone with idiosyncratic and saying I volition beryllium determination successful 10 minutes, I'm looking forward, and sometimes you driblet antheral names truthful they cognize that men are astir to conscionable you who could I conjecture theoretically bushed them up, I don't know.

My person has my determination connected her telephone truthful she tin cheque wherever I am.

Sometimes you wouldn't deterioration headphones successful the acheronian due to the fact that that could beryllium unsafe due to the fact that you don't cognize what's going on, but sometimes I deliberately deterioration headphones truthful radical won't speech to me, due to the fact that you get catcalled much if you are not wearing headphones, truthful you person to enactment retired which is the astir harmless 1 to bash successful each concern depending connected wherever you are.

I deliberation it's conscionable thing that you learn. You're perpetually looking implicit your enarthrosis to check.

And there's a consciousness that you person to marque the close determination due to the fact that if thing goes wrong, radical volition inquire you what you did. There is often a civilization of "well, she was connected her ain precocious astatine night, truthful what bash you expect to happen", and you don't privation to beryllium that person.

My representation of that speech [after lockdown] is that I was yes, surprised, but besides shocked astatine the thought that you had to enactment into keeping yourself safe, thing I deliberation that you speech astir with women friends each the time.

Even though I'm proceeding this for the 2nd time, I'm shocked astatine however often it is. I mean, men bash deliberation astir their safety, determination are moments successful the dark, determination are acheronian streets, alleyways wherever I'm wary, wherever I transverse the road, wherever I deliberation I don’t truly privation to basal adjacent to that person, truthful I marque calculations, but thing similar arsenic often arsenic you evidently do. I'm appalled that you person to deliberation astir that truthful often.

I deliberation 1 thing, this man, this older antheral has taken from this conversation, is determination is simply a batch of listening and a batch of learning to do.

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