What to expect in 2023: AR/VR headset, Mac Pro, USB-C iPhones and more - Macworld

2023 for Apple promises to beryllium a large year. Will the Mac Pro connection large performance? Will we spot a super-sized iPad Pro? And however overmuch bigger are the iPhone prices going to get? It’s our look up astatine what we expect to spot from Apple successful 2023, connected the Macworld Podcast!

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Transcript of Macworld Podcast occurrence 820: What to expect successful 2023 from Apple

JC: Good morning.

RL: And Michael Simon [MS].

MS: Hello, sir.

RL: Last week, we took a look backmost astatine Apple’s accomplishments for 2022. This time, we’re going to look up to 2023 with immoderate ideas and predictions connected what we deliberation Apple volition do. I thought we’d bash this by merchandise class similar we did past week.

So let’s commencement with a class that does not beryllium yet–AR and VR hardware due to the fact that I cognize you guys privation to speech astir that close disconnected the bat. That’s what everyone’s waiting for.

MS: I deliberation it’s going to beryllium person to that oregon possibly a HoloLens than it is to a brace of glasses.

JC: By what the hardware radical accidental it is, is wrong it, is going to beryllium much similar the Oculus with pass-through video. It’s got cameras and it passes done video. It’s not going to beryllium clear.

MS: They look to privation you to deterioration it outside. It’s going to person to beryllium somewhat slick. People walking astir with Oculus are going to beryllium like, what connected world is that feline doing?

JC: Yeah, I’m not talking astir the size of it. People accidental it’s similar high-tech skis goggles oregon something. I’m talking astir it’s not going to beryllium wide integrative you look through.

MS: Right.

JC: It’s going to beryllium an opaque happening that blocks retired each your imaginativeness and they’re going to tube successful video from cameras to screens to supply your presumption of the extracurricular world. This archetypal mentation is seemingly that due to the fact that judging from the show exertion that they, each the rumors accidental that they’re getting this worldly from these micro OLEDs from Sony and stuff, That’s not however you would task images onto wide plastic. That’s a surface you look at. It’s a tiny surface with really, truly tiny pixel density that you look at.

This archetypal version, which they mightiness adjacent transportation arsenic a developer happening that anyone tin buy, but immoderate costly developer kit that anyone tin buy, is going to beryllium that. Then the goggles oregon glasses oregon thing that has a wide presumption of the extracurricular satellite with a projection connected it, is simply a aboriginal product.

MS: The rumors from respective years agone that it’s going to beryllium similar two, 2 oregon $3,000 for the archetypal mentation of immoderate this happening is. Since then, determination person been rumors that there’s a pro headset and a regular headset. And truthful I don’t know, possibly that archetypal rumor was for if it was releasing successful 2021, present that it’s 2023 astatine the earliest, which, you know, they’re not late. But they’re besides not early. Like AR had its infinitesimal and it’s benignant of like, you know, radical are like, each right, truthful the telephone thing, the Google Daydream and the Samsung Gear VR, that didn’t work. Oculus is like…

JC: That was each VR, yeah.

MS: Yeah, that was similar the archetypal iteration of this stuff. Remember erstwhile you tin spell to Verizon and get similar a cardboard happening that you tin physique and popular your telephone into?

JC: Yeah.

MS: Like that worldly didn’t work.

JC: Oculus is doing each right.

MS: Oculus is doing okay, yeah, but it’s inactive not mainstream. Like it hasn’t had that slayer exertion oregon that slayer thing that’s made it similar a happening that everybody wants.

JC: Right. It’s a wide user happening for regular people.

MS: Yeah. And it’s comparatively affordable. It’s not ace expensive. What’s it? 300 bucks? Something similar that.

JC: Yeah. A small much than that. And they’re everywhere. I mean, they’re astatine the large container stores and they’re selling respective millions.

MS: And there’s tons of commercials for them. You spot them each implicit the place. There’s a sports thing. There’s dedicated sports VR that I spot erstwhile I’m watching shot games and stuff. They’re trying to marque that push.

JC: That’s VR, though, too. And PlayStation, PlayStation’s VR, there’s a caller VR happening coming. The lone AR worldly that’s ever happened has not ever travel to consumers, right?

MS: Yeah, Google Glass is the large one.

JC: Well, that’s not AR astatine all. Never.

MS: Oh.

JC: That’s a heads-up display. That did not alteration the presumption connected your surface to lucifer the situation astatine all. It conscionable enactment a monocolored like–not monocolored, it conscionable enactment a small spot of surface successful beforehand of your eye. As you moved your caput and stuff, thing shifted. It was a heads-up display. Yeah, due to the fact that otherwise, that would person been astonishing tech for the time.

MS: Yeah, for the time. All right. So what comparable AR things are retired there?

JC: The Microsoft HoloLens. That’s existent AR.

MS: Which is very, precise expensive.

JC: It’s precise expensive. It’s a concern play. It’s successful factories and worldly similar that. And it’s large for that, but that’s wherever it’s at. And it’s got problems wherever it would ne'er truly beryllium a user thing. And past what was the Magically Tried?

MS: Magic Leap. It was similar a backpack you had to wear.

JC: Yeah, it had a puck you enactment successful your pouch and past a cablegram that went up to the glasses portion and I don’t adjacent cognize however galore they ever shipped. I mean, they had immoderate aboriginal adopters I deliberation who got immoderate from a hold database oregon I don’t adjacent retrieve but it’s a fewer thousand. They ne'er truly went anyplace with that. That’s benignant of the lone existent augmented world stuff.

MS: I tried the backmost astatine CES, I don’t cognize however galore years agone backmost erstwhile I utilized to screen Android, I tried HoloLens and a demo and it was fine. I didn’t locomotion distant thinking, my God, this is the aboriginal of anything. It was conscionable it was absorbing and that was similar this version.  It was immoderate the version.

JC: HoloLens 2.

MS: It’s a caller 1 since, yeah.

JC: Its main contented is that the AR portion is simply a small model successful the mediate of your vision. It’s not astir wide enough. It’s a tiny small tract of view. It doesn’t person the artillery life, processing power, tract of view, each these different things indispensable to beryllium thing you locomotion down the thoroughfare with and person a utile acquisition arsenic a regular person.

MS; Even if we hadn’t heard a azygous rumor astir what this is going to be, that’s their play. They don’t…They’re a user company. They’re going to marque user products. It’s going to beryllium rather antithetic from thing we cognize erstwhile it arrives.

JC: Yeah. I’m funny however this archetypal mentation is going to… wherever its equilibrium is going to beryllium successful presumption of VR versus AR worldly due to the fact that if they’re doing what the latest Oculus, that Pro Oculus, I can’t retrieve what they called it. Oculus does pass-through video. It’s blocking retired your screen, but it’s got cameras and it passes done the video truthful you tin spot your surroundings. This was the archetypal 1 wherever they did that successful color. It’s ever a small janky due to the fact that the solution is not bully capable and the refresh isn’t accelerated capable and it doesn’t rather look similar you’re looking astatine reality. It’s much conscionable truthful you tin not bump into things and stuff.

MS: They don’t urge walking astir with it connected either.

JC: Well, yea and it’s not truly made for that due to the fact that they don’t bash things like–they don’t person determination and worldly connected it.

MS: It’s called the MetaQuest Pro by the mode and it’s $1500.

JC: Right. The Quest 2 has pass-through video but it’s similar ace debased res and achromatic and achromatic and stuff. But if that’s, technologically, if that’s what Apple is doing, it’s going to person to beryllium truly ace high-quality pass-through video to beryllium AR.

MS: Which is what we’ve heard that it’s insanely precocious quality. The rumors are similar 8K screens, 2 of them, and an M1 processor.

JC: But the cameras themselves that are passing video successful person to beryllium truly precocious quality, HDR, ace debased latency. There’s a cardinal method problems they request to solve. Or it’s conscionable going to beryllium a truly crappy AR acquisition and mostly a VR headset. It is going to beryllium this archetypal thing, a mixed world thing. It tin bash either.

MS: Yeah, they accidental that. All the rumors accidental mixed world but the circumstantial rumor we’ve heard are chiefly AR related. That’s the hook. There’ll beryllium VR stuff. But yeah, the main happening is that they privation it to beryllium a wearable instrumentality similar the Apple Watch that you regenerate your telephone with and you usage retired and astir and bash things with that you would usually spell into your pocket, cheque your–I don’t know, if you’re looking astatine a restaurant, cheque a menu. I don’t cognize what it’s going to do, but it’s going to augment your satellite successful immoderate mode that is simply a instrumentality that you’re going to privation to person connected you each the clip and not conscionable erstwhile you privation to play a game.

JC: It’s going to person a developer SDK and an app store and each that different stuff. The slayer apps whitethorn beryllium not from Apple.

The happening that makes maine deliberation it whitethorn really travel adjacent year, immoderate it is, is that the latest rumors suggest that the heads of the bundle improvement for each of Apple’s benignant of halfway apps similar iMessage and Maps and worldly similar that are present getting involved. That tells maine like, okay, they’ve got the hardware figured retired to the constituent wherever they can–the hardware and the bundle improvement and worldly similar that figured retired to the constituent wherever they tin widen the ellipse of secrecy wrong Apple to bring successful these important things. They’re not going to marque these guys bash everything doubly and everything. They’re going to beryllium successful connected the past twelvemonth getting immoderate slayer messages acquisition oregon whatever.

MS: That’s the 3 focuses of allegedly according to Mark Gurman’s study a mates months agone was messaging, communication, media, movies and stuff, and games. So there’s a rumor that astatine iOS 17, messages are going to get a immense overhaul which ties into what would hap here. similar there’s a batch of pieces benignant of falling into place. And I hold with Jason. 2023 seems similar the clip to bash it.

First of each it’s been a portion since Apple had a large splash, you cognize their products implicit the past fewer years person been large but it hasn’t been similar you know…Apple Watch was a large deal, HomePod wasn’t truthful there’s inactive similar there’s what, 7 oregon six oregon 7 years betwixt similar the past large happening and now.

RL: If you were to task an announcement date, WWDC seems similar an due time?

MS: I don’t cognize good here’s the happening it depends connected however they privation to merchantability it if they’re pitching into developers and they recognize it’s a happening that’s retired of scope which for consumers, some terms and functionality, past yes. If they bash privation it to beryllium thing that gets a batch of attraction from consumers and radical walk $1,000 oregon $800, nevertheless overmuch it’s going to cost, past they’ll person a standalone lawsuit oregon tacking onto the iPhone lawsuit oregon thing similar that.

JC: I deliberation it truly each conscionable depends connected however acold on they are for release. If they really privation to merchandise it successful the autumn of 2023, I deliberation showing it astatine WWDC but not giving the terms and stuff, but really showing the happening and getting an SDK and saying developers tin motion up to get a improvement portion and worldly similar that, that makes sense. And past successful September astatine the iPhone event, we would get pricing and merchandise date. If it’s further away, it could besides beryllium thing similar they did with the Apple Watch wherever they benignant of denote it with the iPhone lawsuit and it ships successful the opening of 2024.

MS: Oh, adjacent year. Yeah, sure. Yeah, determination was a immense gap–Apple Watch was revealed successful September, it didn’t vessel till the pursuing April. So they could perfectly bash that. Same happening with the archetypal iPhone, it was January to June. So that’s not uncommon for Apple to bash astatine all.

JC: Yeah, particularly erstwhile it’s a full caller class and they request to manufacture this thing.
That takes distant that unit to effort and manufacture it successful secret, which is truly hard to do. But they could ever person them astatine WWDC and it’s like, well, here’s what it is and here’s what the specs are and here’s however you make for it. You tin motion up for developers to bargain a peculiar dev portion and past user pricing and truly authorities during the fall. They tin ever bash that too. We’ll get a batch of much absorbing rumors arsenic the twelvemonth rolls on, arsenic 2023 rolls on. It’ll commencement to crystallize benignant of similar what this happening is and what it’ll cost.

RL: Well, we ever get a outpouring announcement, but the outpouring announcement could beryllium the Mac Pro, possibly an iMac Pro, and past WWDC gets dedicated to the headset. I could spot that happening.

JC: For hardware, yeah. I mean, obviously, they’re going to speech astir the caller OS’s astatine WWDC.

MS: Yeah, it’s expected to beryllium xrOS, which stands for Extended Reality OS. That’s similar a full caller thing.

RL: More anticipated products for 2023, I think, too the headset, possibly the adjacent astir anticipated merchandise for 2023 is the Mac Pro.

MS: I deliberation so, yeah. Even though 99 percent of the radical listening to this aren’t going to bargain one. It’s inactive thing we all–and I see myself there–but I perfectly privation to spot what it looks similar and what it does and what’s wrong and each that stuff.

JC: Yeah, purely from a whether it’s an absorbing perspective, right? Even though it’s not for maine and it’s not for you and it’s not for anyone, but it definite is interesting. Yeah. It’s conscionable amusive to deliberation what is Apple going to bash for its astir almighty computer.

MS: Is it a tower? Is it expandable? Does it person slots for cards? There are a cardinal questions. Is it an Ultra? Is it thing that we haven’t seen yet? Is determination a caller Pro Display XDR that goes with it with ProMotion? There are a batch of questions.

JC: It’s 2 M2 Ultras. It’s 2 to four.

MS: It could be. I mean, it could be.

JC: Yeah. It’s going to person configurations from 2 to four. No cards. Apple’s going to telephone it expandable due to the fact that it has Thunderbolt ports. Well, I’m putting my stakes successful the crushed now.
It’s going to beryllium 2 Apple Studios stacked connected apical of each other.

RL: So you guys don’t deliberation they’ll usage a operation similar the existent Mac Pro? Or they’re redefining the explanation of “tower” for Mac?

MS: It depends connected the enactment for PCIx carts. If it does, if they squad up with Nvidia oregon AMD oregon marque their own, which astir apt isn’t going to happen, but if they enactment graphics cards oregon audio cards oregon whatever, ethernet cards, immoderate you would request there, it’s going to person to beryllium a tower. If not, the sky’s the limit. Look astatine the trash can. They’ve done funky designs with the Mac Pro before.

JC: I consciousness similar nary substance what it is, it’s not going to beryllium a operation similar the 1 we have. I deliberation if you look astatine a batch of PCs, tiny signifier origin PCs that tin acceptable a graphics card, they person a PCI slot, but they’re these small rectangular cans. I deliberation if it’s got a slot you tin use, it’s going to beryllium thing similar that. It’s not going to be…basically shrink the existent Mac Pro 50 percent successful each direction, that benignant of thing. Because the request for the motherboard and each that worldly that they person present is conscionable not going to beryllium there. The mode they bash their strategy connected ships and worldly similar that and cooling it and each that other, everything other astir it, it’s conscionable not necessary.

MS: Yeah. I mean, look astatine the Mac Studio, which is fundamentally arsenic accelerated arsenic the existent Intel Mac Pro successful immoderate measurements and it’s what, an eighth of the size.

JC: I deliberation you tin stack a mates of 2 oregon 3 of those connected apical of each different oregon thing similar that to get an thought of the measurement of this thing, adjacent if it’s not the aforesaid signifier that’s conscionable benignant of…

MS: Well, I mean, that’s the thing. Apple, implicit the years, the Mac Pro has been similar its striking nonrecreational desktop machine. It ever has a plan that’s precise antithetic from what other is retired there. I’m talking astir successful their ain lineup similar the G5 had that silvery look, the G4 had the doorway that opens and the handles, similar it ne'er rather matches the remainder of the enactment purposefully.
Like they privation to benignant of acceptable it apart. So I’m funny to spot design-wise, what it looks like.

RL: Stay with the Mac line. So there’ve been rumors that Apple is going to travel retired with an iMac Pro. Do you guys deliberation that volition happen?

MS: Just this week, we got a beauteous beardown one. So, conscionable a speedy history, the iMac Pro was discontinued past year. It came retired successful I think, 2017, I think. But ne'er received an update. Was a bully machine, but it was ever seen arsenic similar a stopgap betwixt the cylinder Mac Pro and the caller Mac Pro erstwhile it arrived. So that went distant past year.

And past earlier this twelvemonth erstwhile the MacStudio and the 27-inch Studio Display came out, the 27-inch iMac went away, the non-$5,000 one.

JC: Now the lone iMac you tin get, Max is retired astatine an M1, though they’ll bash an M2 update, but nary Pro, nary Max oregon Ultra oregon anything. And it’s a 24-inch show and that’s it. And that’s a small tiny for immoderate people. That 27-inch size with the 5K show was a batch nicer.

MS: Yeah, it’s lone 3 inches but it’s a large quality erstwhile you’re looking astatine like, I mean, they marque a 14-inch MacBook Pro and a 16-inch MacBook Pro. So you can, similar it’s evidently a quality determination successful what you tin bash and the size you want.

So determination was a rumor this week that Apple was going to travel retired with a 27-inch iMac Pro for immoderate that really means, astir apt conscionable M2 Pro, M2 Max processors sometime adjacent twelvemonth which would beryllium I deliberation bully for the iMac line. I mean, I don’t cognize however overmuch they merchantability anymore due to the fact that everybody loves MacBooks and everybody, you know, MacBooks are intelligibly their fig 1 seller.

JC: It seems similar a fixed that it’s conscionable going to be, sure, it’ll beryllium M2 Pro and Macs, possibly Ultra but astatine slightest M2 Pro, you know, conscionable similar the MacBook Pro, you know, is. But I’m funny successful what they’re going to bash with the display. Is it going to beryllium similar the caller Studio Display wherever it’s conscionable a 5K show and that’s it? No precocious refresh rate, nary adaptable refresh rate, nary HDR, nary no of that stuff. Or is it going to beryllium a modern show that gives you thing much than just…the aforesaid 5K show they’ve had successful iMacs and worldly for truthful galore years.

MS: Right. We’re talking HDR, we’re talking ProMotion, the things that… so, the 27-inch workplace display, it should beryllium noted, has nary of those things. It starts astatine $600 and it’s just.

JC: A 4.5K show that’s it. Is it 4.5K oregon is it 5K?

MS: Oh, 5K. Oh, yeah. I’m reasoning of the iMac. The iMac is 4.5K.

JC: It’s beauteous overmuch precisely the aforesaid arsenic the 27-inch iMac’s show but a somewhat brighter,
max brightness. Yeah. Still DCI-

MS: And it doesn’t person a powerfulness button.

JC: Yeah, nary powerfulness fastener and each these different weird things. I tin spot wherefore they wouldn’t adhd a size that big. I tin spot wherefore ProMotion would beryllium tricky due to the fact that ProMotion is not conscionable adaptable refresh rate, which is the bigger deal. It’s besides up to 120 oregon 90 oregon thing and I tin spot wherefore that.–but they got to bash HDR, particularly erstwhile they’re doing each of this Apple TV worldly and everything. That’s the killer. That is your slayer streaming level machine if it’s 27 inches, has an HDR display, each dorm country successful America is going to privation that due to the fact that you tin footwear backmost and ticker it similar a TV.

MS: Yeah, if you privation an HDR show from For example, close now, you got to walk $5,000 connected the Pro Display XDR. It’s crazy.

JC: Yeah. That’s conscionable brainsick erstwhile you look astatine what the PC market’s doing. The best, craziest QLED, backlit things are $1,200 oregon something. They’re not professionally calibrated and each that different stuff. Those aren’t pro displays, but conscionable successful presumption of what you tin get arsenic a consumer, it’s not adjacent successful the ballpark.

RL: Speaking of that Pro Display XDR, bash you deliberation that’ll beryllium replaced erstwhile the Mac Pro gets released?

MS: Yeah, I deliberation it should be. I would presume that gets ProMotion. Maybe it gets the workplace show attraction with the camera and speakers and worldly too.

MS: If they merchantability 2 of those a year, that’s excessively many. They person to get escaped of it, which they don’t truly request it with an M2. If they enactment an M2 successful there, it’s good oregon update it. One of the 2 things has to happen. It’s transgression that they inactive merchantability that thing. It’s $1,100. It’s much than the M1 mentation and markedly slower.

JC: It each conscionable needs an update. They request a somewhat caller plan with much ports and worldly similar that and past scrap the Intel.

MS: The M2 came retired successful June astatine WWDC and past their 13-inch MacBook Pro got it and the MacBook Air got it and that’s it. So the iMac is inactive M1, the Mac mini is inactive M1 and it’s unusual that Apple didn’t upgrade astatine slightest the Mac mini which came retired astatine the aforesaid clip arsenic those different 2 computers with the M2. So the rumor that we heard contiguous was that possibly they would enactment an M3 successful the Mac mini aboriginal this twelvemonth and past an M2 successful the Mac mini successful the outpouring with the M2 Pro going successful the Intel mentation that’s inactive being sold. So I don’t cognize however immoderate of that, yeah, I don’t cognize however immoderate of that benignant of fleshes out.

Apple’s successful this weird benignant of, I wouldn’t telephone it a holding pattern, but we don’t cognize yet what the cadence is for Apple Silicon. The M2 came retired 18 months aft the M1, which is okay, that’s good, but past thing else. The remainder of the year, they didn’t bash thing with it. So the iMac coming up connected 2 years.

JC: They were expected to bash the pros and max and stuff, and past I deliberation those were intended to beryllium astatine the extremity of this year. There was accumulation delays and worldly similar that that were retired of their hands. It’s each connected the broadside of similar TSMC and the others. Flextronics, each the radical who really marque these things person had delays and they’re looking astatine where’s our volume? What bash we request to do? What we truly request to bash is iPhone 14 Pro is wherever we request to enactment each our legs successful that handbasket close now.

MS: They had a occupation with that too, accumulation delays.

JC: Well, that’s what I mean. That’s wherefore they request to… Yeah. That’s wherefore they’re not going to disagreement up their constricted accumulation capableness to bash these different things.

MS:  Listen, the M1 Pro, Macs, MacBooks, they’re fantastic laptops and they’re connected merchantability each implicit the spot for similar $400 oregon $500 off, which is conscionable ridiculously good.

JC: Yeah. Honestly, each the worldly that would beryllium chill astir an update is the worldly they got this year, similar the show and each that different stuff.

MS: Yes. Right. Nothing other is changing. If thing other is changing, it would conscionable beryllium the chip.

MS: Look astatine the iPhone being 3rd successful 2023 Do we truly expect thing large from the iPhone successful 2023?

MS: Well, I mean we accidental this each twelvemonth that this is the twelvemonth but this does look similar the twelvemonth I mean, so, USB-C fig 1 is massive. If Apple really does dump them. Now they don’t person to bash that, truthful the regularisation says by precocious 2024, I deliberation it was November oregon December 2024, truthful Apple could technically merchandise the iPhone 15 and 16 with lightning and inactive comply with the EU law.

But each rumors accidental that they’re going to get up of that shot and the iPhone 15, each models volition dump lightning for USBC, which would beryllium if thing other changes and determination are a batch of different changes that are coming. But if thing other changes, that’s huge. That’s a immense change.

JC: And conscionable ignoring benignant of the convenience and imaginable information rate, it’s imaginable that they marque them faster charging than is imaginable with Lightning. USB-C tin grip that. Whether the telephone tin oregon not is different situation, but I deliberation their complaint bounds is arsenic overmuch astir Lightning presently arsenic it is astir the phone.

MS: I agree. Yeah, determination are Android phones that spell up to similar 100 watts. You tin go, Apple does what? 18, 20, what was it? 18? Yeah, truthful they tin spell way, mode faster.

RL: And past Apple volition beforehand that arsenic a elephantine breakthrough.

MS: Yeah. Listen, Apple is not going to bash similar a 150 oregon something. It would spell to similar 25, but that’s inactive a important change.

JC: That’s one. The camera is expected to beryllium a large deal. They are supposedly utilizing caller sensors from Sony. They’ve been utilizing benignant of aged sensors from Sony for the astir portion successful astir of these cameras. When you excavation into the teardowns and they find the exemplary numbers, determination are these four, five-year-old sensors, with the objection of possibly that 48-megapixel sensor successful the Pro now. There’s a caller sensor coming from Sony adjacent twelvemonth that’s expected to beryllium 2 oregon 3 times much delicate to collecting photons and turning them into bits. They’re supposedly utilizing that. They’re supposedly doing the periscope lens for the telephoto. It could beryllium a large camera upgrade, astatine slightest successful the Pro model.

MS: That could beryllium the periscope camera. We’ve heard rumors that that mightiness beryllium constricted to the iPhone 15 Pro Max, which is going to beryllium renamed the iPhone 15 Ultra. But I don’t know. Yeah, who knows?

Just speedy astir the cameras. So Tim Cook went to Japan, and sent retired a tweet that says, “We’ve been partnering with Sony for implicit a decennary to make the world’s starring camera sensors for iPhone and galore acknowledgment to radical who enactment there.”

I don’t cognize if Apple has ever publically acknowledged that it works with Sony for the camera sensor. I mean, possibly successful similar a keynote oregon thing they mentioned it mode backmost when, but it’s not thing that they often do. Something similar that leads maine to judge that, yes, they’re superior astir immoderate their caller happening is.

JC: They’ve acknowledged it to the aforesaid capableness arsenic this is. It would beryllium successful a tweet oregon successful a broadside thing. It’s ne'er successful their ceremonial public–nothing is. They ne'er accidental who makes their displays. They ne'er accidental their displays are made by Samsung oregon LG oregon immoderate of those things. Same happening going connected here.

MS: Yeah, but it’s absorbing that Cook would beryllium determination calling it retired now.

JC: And I archer you, I hatred that truthful much.

MS: Yeah. They did this erstwhile before, I privation to accidental with the iPhone 12, wherever the Pro Max had a somewhat amended camera but it wasn’t anyplace adjacent arsenic ample of a spread arsenic you’re going to get oregon arsenic rumored to get successful September. It’s similar the Apple Watch Ultra. So that 1 is bigger and you get a ton of stuff. However, the radical who would bargain that are gonna privation a ticker that size. If you privation the dive worldly and the h2o absorption and the hiking and the ruggedness and each that different worldly that comes with it, you privation a 49-millimeter, 50-millimeter watch. So that makes consciousness to me.

JC: And each the competitors successful that abstraction are large honking watches. That’s what ultra-durable watches are like.

MS: With what we’re speechmaking astir the iPhone 15 Ultra, iPhone 15 Pro users would privation the aforesaid features successful a 6.1-inch phone. No one’s going to say, well, I don’t request a amended camera. I don’t request a faster USB-C port. I don’t request a titanium framework oregon immoderate of that stuff. Everyone’s going to privation that. Apple is making you not lone leap to a higher version, but we’re besides proceeding that it’s going to astir apt outgo a small spot more, which besides makes sense.

JC: Oh, yeah.

MS: $100 oregon $200 more. At immoderate point, it reaches wherever you’re going to commencement turning radical distant oregon turning radical disconnected by doing that. Apple is not the lone one. Samsung does it too. They person a Galaxy S22 Ultra that besides has exclusive features and it’s a large elephantine telephone and it’s costly and each that stuff. Apple is acold from being the lone institution who’s doing this.

JC: One has to wonderment if they’re going to bash some and it’s getting mislaid successful the rumor shuffle, they’re going to person iPhone 15 Pro astatine 6.1 and 6.7 inches. And past besides the Ultra, which is lone successful 6.7 inches and has each these other features and costs more.

MS: Sure. So Pro, Pro Max and an Ultra. Yeah, maybe. Sure. I’d beryllium good with it. Give radical the prime to walk the other 200 bucks connected each those features. Sure.

JC: But I’ll archer you, I agelong for a titanium phone.

MS: Me too. Yeah.

JC: Because it’s truthful light. And I don’t attraction what it looks similar due to the fact that I enactment a lawsuit connected it. Like, if it has the earthy titanium look similar the watch, I don’t attraction successful case.

MS: I’m good with that. I ne'er look at, sometimes I hide what colour iPhone I have. I ne'er look astatine the backmost of my phone.

RL: So that’s the iPhone. What astir the iPad? So we’ve got benignant of this confusing lineup now. Does Apple straighten that retired adjacent year?

MS: It doesn’t look similar it.

JC: The rumors are it gets worse due to the fact that determination are 2 antithetic rumors of bigger iPads, 14 and a 16 oregon 17, I think. That’s similar 16.9. So, and we don’t cognize if either of them volition travel retired oregon conscionable 1 of them oregon both, but the ideas that they’ve been exploring, what bash we bash with a elephantine iPad? Which I really deliberation is simply a chill idea. I deliberation for radical who…

MS: I don’t caput that either. Yeah. As similar a household device, watching movies, playing games with aggregate people. Yeah. It could person its purpose.

JC: I really deliberation it’d beryllium unspeakable for that due to the fact that it’s not going to beryllium priced for that. It’s going to beryllium a nonrecreational thing. It’s going to beryllium M2. It’s going to beryllium huge. It’s going to have…they already had HDR and each this stuff, but arsenic a drafting array of sorts, a portable drafting instrumentality for the radical who bash that benignant of stuff, interior designers, each that different architects and everybody other who draws connected their iPad a lot, they astir apt emotion a 16-inch version, you know, and they’d tally retired determination and walk 2 expansive to get it.

RL: The Apple Watch seemed similar it got its large changes this year. So possibly incremental updates this year?

MS: We haven’t heard immoderate rumors yet astir what that would be. There volition beryllium a Series 9. There volition astir apt beryllium an Ultra 2 oregon immoderate they telephone it. But speech from possibly a caller chip, well, we haven’t adjacent gotten the caller chip. They conscionable support renaming the aged chip. I don’t adjacent cognize if determination volition beryllium a caller chip. Maybe a sensor. There person been sensor rumors, but it inactive seems similar they’re a small spot excessively acold out, glucose monitoring things similar that. I don’t cognize if they’re acceptable yet.

JC: That’s benignant of what’s going connected with the eight. The 8 is precise overmuch similar the seven, it’s precise overmuch similar the six. They’ve been connected these precise mild updates. Rumors aren’t telling america to expect thing antithetic than that this year. It’s going to beryllium similar you said, it’s not going to beryllium meaningfully antithetic successful presumption of artillery life, performance, immoderate of these things. It’ll person a caller diagnostic oregon two, similar a caller sensor oregon a somewhat antithetic caller feature. Mostly it’s going to beryllium a caller name, possibly immoderate caller colors.

MS: There’ll beryllium thing to acceptable it apart, but we haven’t heard thing astir sizes oregon redesign. There was that level redesign, but it seems arsenic though that was the Ultra that got that look and that benignant of got mislaid successful translation unless they bring the Ultra look to the Series 9 to benignant of lucifer the look, who knows? But I wouldn’t expect thing immense retired of the Apple Watch, but it’ll beryllium the aforesaid terms and it’ll beryllium a small spot better. And if you privation one, you know, great.

JC: I consciousness similar Apple Watch should beryllium astatine a two-year cadence similar the iPhone SE.

MS: I agree. Yeah.

RL: Yeah. I wonderment if that Ultra is going to beryllium a two-year cadence and we won’t spot an update for it.

JC: Yeah.

MS: Yeah, I could spot that. The SE connected a two-year cadence, arsenic Jason conscionable said–not even. It hardly got an update past twelvemonth oregon this year. It got a caller chip. This past twelvemonth was a precise disappointing year. Crash detection and that was it. Yeah. I mean, it’s a good ticker for $249. There’s thing incorrect with it. But Apple could person fixed america 1 of those caller sensors. All it has is the bosom complaint sensor. Anything, similar ECG oregon ever on-display oregon humor oxygen, thing that’s connected the aboriginal models.

RL: What astir the HomePod? We haven’t seen thing astir the HomePod successful a while.

JC: There are a fewer absorbing small rumors that we don’t truly cognize if immoderate of them are going to travel unneurotic into a merchandise successful 2023, but they were supposedly moving connected thing that’s fundamentally a soundbar with an Apple TV built-in. So it’d beryllium similar a HomePod slash Apple TV successful a soundbar-like signifier factor. You hook it up to your TV, but you tin besides conscionable speech to it and play music. You tin usage HDMI input and output, yada, yada, and perchance a camera. Then you could FaceTime connected your TV from your surviving room. That would beryllium a slick product. I deliberation they could merchantability a bully fig of those. People bargain dependable bars. It’d beryllium a large mode to say, look, upgrade your TV sound, get an Apple TV, bash each the HomePod stuff, FaceTime from your surviving room. That’d beryllium beauteous cool.

The different 1 is simply a HomePod that either has a show oregon attaches an iPad arsenic a display, a HomePod with a show to vie with each the…the Google, what are they called? Nest Hub and Echo Shows and worldly similar that. Also thing they could precise good use. The lone crushed I inactive person Google Homes successful my location is because, I person 1 successful the room and I worth the screen. I truly privation the surface successful my kitchen. I usage it perpetually for the screen. Putting a HomePod determination would not chopped it. If it could, if I could enactment a HomePod with a surface there, I’d beryllium each HomePod.

RL: Yeah, I person an Echo Show–well, actually, I person an Echo Spot. It’s that aged circular 1 that I bought many, galore years agone successful the room arsenic good that I usage each the time. I would perfectly get connected with the surface oregon a docking iPad, immoderate it is for that spot. It seems to beryllium that Apple is benignant of missing the boat. It would beryllium a precise fashionable merchandise if it’s–I’m assuming it’s not similar 500 bucks. If it’s similar 299 oregon something.

JC: No, it’d beryllium 500 bucks.

MS: I deliberation they would bash it.

JC: I deliberation if it doesn’t have…if you proviso your ain iPad, it could beryllium similar 200 bucks. It could beryllium similar 200 bucks and you dock an iPad. If it’s got a built-in show oregon comes with a peculiar iPad that you tin conscionable undock and it’s an iPad but it’s lone this thing, thing similar that, it’s going to beryllium astatine slightest 500 bucks. I don’t enactment it past Apple to spell that route, it would suck but it’s possible.

JC: I mean, they person to see the contention due to the fact that the Echo shows, I mean, those things are connected merchantability for similar 50, 60 bucks each the time. The Google Nest is similar 200. If theirs comes successful astatine similar 7 oregon eight, similar they’re not going to merchantability immoderate of them. So they person to similar they did with HomePod mini, similar they learned their lesson. All right, truthful people, don’t privation a $400 HomePod, they privation a $100 HomePod. I don’t cognize however good it’s selling but it’s got to beryllium selling amended than the archetypal HomePod, I would assume. I deliberation if they’re going to travel retired with specified a device, and they should, arsenic Jason said, there’s a cardinal reasons wherefore it would beryllium great–349, I deliberation it has to beryllium successful that wide portion for it, to beryllium successful.

JC: Sort of the 3rd HomePod rumor we heard concisely was that the larger HomePod volition marque a instrumentality but re-architected to beryllium overmuch much affordable to manufacture. But it won’t beryllium the mini. It’ll conscionable beryllium the dependable pod similar the archetypal HomePod, but not truthful costly to marque and wouldn’t person to outgo arsenic much. And that’s a anticipation arsenic well.

I truly bash deliberation immoderate benignant of HomePod happening is going to hap successful 2023, different than conscionable similar caller colors for your HomePod mini. There’s gonna beryllium something. I deliberation OG HomePod is going to get the Apple TV attraction wherever they conscionable made an Apple TV 4K that is importantly little costly and benignant of better. They conscionable re-engineered it to beryllium much affordable to manufacture for them and it’s better. I deliberation that’s astir apt what we tin expect retired of similar a HomePod resurgence.

RL: Do we expect thing from the AirPods lineup successful 2023 different than updates?

MS: They inactive usage Lightning connected their cases. So that’s the happening that could hap with the iPhone wherever they update conscionable the case.

JC: That’s the astir persistent happening is that they’ll update thing but the lawsuit to the USB-C.

MS: And besides the Maxs has a mates of years retired now.

JC: Mm-hmm.

MS: It’s been 2 years, conscionable astir close now, it’s been 2 years. So possibly thing antithetic with their information don’t person the caller adaptive transparency. They could adhd the amended Bluetooth, Bluetooth 5.2, immoderate it is that the caller AirPods got.

JC: There’s a caller spot successful the caller AirPods Pro. They tin enactment that successful there. They could bash that. Maybe a mates of caller colors.

MS: They could bash that.

JC: If they could shave fractional the value off, they’d person something. It’s truly the cardinal thing.

MS: And a spot of the price.

JC:It is priced excessively much, but it’s priced excessively overmuch successful that way. Apple worldly is priced excessively much. If it got each the caller AirPods, second-gen AirPods Pro features and exertion with improved dependable and they got the value down, they could merchantability them astatine that price. There are radical retired determination present who privation to bargain the Max oregon privation them. You spot them successful videos online and worldly similar that. You spot radical wearing them.

RL: Any iCloud changes? Is Apple yet going to alteration the 5 gigabyte?

RL: No. Never. I can’t hold erstwhile you could bargain a $90,000 Apple car and you inactive get 5 gigs of iCloud.

JC: Yeah, we’ll beryllium astatine the constituent wherever 5 gigs is the equivalent of 50 megabytes today. That’ll inactive beryllium what you get for free.

RL: Yeah.

JC: It’ll beryllium like, 5 gigs, that’s 3 photos of my ace precocious gigapixel photos that I person now.

JC: I’m sympathetic to the thought that the statement is the opposite. Well, I conscionable spent a 100 times that for my phone. They should springiness it to me. Right. Yeah, benignant of. It’s a gajillion dollars, it’s a 2 trillion dollar institution sitting connected apical of similar $200 cardinal successful cash. They could conscionable springiness maine 10 gigabytes.

MS: They’re virtually giving their wealth away. They person truthful overmuch of it. Every quarter, they springiness distant billions of dollars due to the fact that they don’t cognize what to bash with it. But they can’t springiness you 15 gigs of iCloud storage.

JC: Right. Yeah. I just…

RL: I saved the astir important merchandise that could travel retired adjacent twelvemonth for last. And we inactive don’t cognize if it’s going to travel out. And that’s the 3rd play of Ted Lasso.

JC: It’s going to come.

MS: Yeah. I deliberation so. I deliberation they filmed it past year, I believe, right?

JC: They conscionable finished it. Yeah, they finished shooting it a fewer weeks ago.

RL: I deliberation backmost successful March. Or yeah, oh, they did main photography. It was done backmost successful March. So they’re successful accumulation with it now. They haven’t announced a merchandise day for Ted Lasso. The rumors are that it’s going to beryllium the past season, but that hasn’t been confirmed.

MS: I deliberation they’re going to necktie it successful with the MLS, the Major League Soccer launch. They’ll bash thing with that. You know, there’ll beryllium immoderate buzz astir shot and past they’ll say, Oh, Ted Lasso is either they merchandise it oregon they denote it oregon something. Yeah, similar that.

RL: Yeah.

MS: They conscionable got a clump of Golden Globe Awards for Severance, not awards, nominations for Severance. So they’re inactive chugging on with their Apple TV Plus programs. Bunch of year-end lists had that. I haven’t seen it. I deliberation it’s called Pachinko.

RL: I haven’t seen that either. Yeah.

MS: But it’s expected to beryllium precise good. Final play of, what is that show? I watched it, I can’t retrieve the name. The M. Night Shyamalan amusement with the baby.

JC: Servant.

MS: Servant, yes. That’s finishing up successful January. Morning Show volition astir apt travel backmost adjacent year. I mean, there’s immoderate momentum there.

JC: Yeah. And there’s tons of caller worldly connected the way. I can’t get distant from the ads for Spirited. I mean, they’re starting to truly marketplace this stuff. And yeah, they’ve got immoderate bully worldly connected the way.

MS: Spirited was beauteous good. It could person been better. than better. But it was good. I liked it. I watched it with my son. We each liked it. I’m not going to tally backmost to ticker it again. It’s not similar Christmas Story wherever you got to ticker it each year. But it was okay.

RL: It’s not a vacation tradition?

JC: Yeah. They’re ne'er going to bushed Muppet Christmas Carol. I’m sorry. The champion version, that’s not conscionable maine liking the Muppets. Just inquire me, the champion mentation of Christmas Carol is the Muppet one, I volition combat you. And past —

MS: It’s besides the champion Christmas grounds is besides the Muppets.

JC: It’s true. And past the–what’s its name? If you privation a modern interpretation, it’s hard to bushed the Bill Murray Scrooge, right?

RL: Yeah, that’s good. That’s true.

MC: Every Christmas Eve, I ticker Die Hard each year. I wouldn’t dice connected that elevation that that’s a Christmas movie. There are plentifulness of bully Christmas movies.

JC: Lethal Weapon is simply a Christmas movie. The archetypal one. All right. If you conscionable privation an excuse to ticker enactment movies.

RL: To wrapper this up, bash you guys person immoderate Apple predictions that we didn’t speech about, astir the company, about…

JC: Wacky predictions retired that mode retired determination stuff. I really deliberation that the mixed world headset thing, I don’t adjacent springiness it a 50-50 accidental of really shipping to customers adjacent year. At best, a dev kit. I deliberation there’s similar a 20 percent accidental that regular customers volition beryllium capable to bargain 1 and get it adjacent year.

Has anybody stepped down? There are immoderate truly senior-level execs who’ve been determination forever.

RL: There person been a few.

JC: And it’s like, is it clip for anybody to measurement down oregon determination on?

I was going to marque my off-the-wall prediction that Tim Cook volition denote that helium volition discontinue successful 5 years. He benignant of said it successful an interview.

MS:  Here’s the quote. It was with Kara Swisher astatine the clip with the New York Times. This was from 2021. Not that agelong ago. I don’t cognize what the question was, but the reply was, “Ten much years? Probably not. But I tin archer you that I consciousness large close present and the time is not successful sight. But 10 much years is simply a agelong clip and astir apt not 10 much years” is what helium said. That’s the nonstop quote, but that brings america to 2030, which is plentifulness of time. And I wouldn’t blasted them to beryllium honest, you know, different clump of years of this stuff, I mean, it’s a beauteous stressful gig. Like I’m definite it’s not arsenic amusive arsenic it looks from wherever we’re sitting.

JC: Yeah. We conscionable spot the bully part.

RL: There were reports that helium wanted to bash 1 past large merchandise introduction. And the headset seems similar that’s it.

MS: He’s been talking astir AR for a agelong time, not successful immoderate existent merchandise way, but successful the excitement astir it and the imaginable for a existent breakthrough platform. He champions AR a lot. So yes, I bash deliberation that this is his iPhone. But helium did AirPods, helium did Apple Watch. He’s done a clump of large iPhones, the iPad Pro, he’s done.

JC: He’s been trying to marque a car for 10 years. Not truly an exaggeration.

MS: The question is what comes aft Tim Cook? Who’s next? I mean, arsenic Jason said, a clump are old. A fewer person left. Johnny Ive left, Phil Schiller left. So I don’t cognize who replaces. Maybe Elon Musk.

RL: We went astir an hr without mentioning Elon Musk. Well, if my prediction holds true, we’ll person 5 years to fig that out.

MS: Yeah, I deliberation we got a clump of time. Tim Cook seems similar a precise applicable person, truthful I wouldn’t beryllium amazed if helium has a batch planned out. But I don’t deliberation he’s conscionable going to up and say, you cognize what, I’m done. Here’s a property release. See you. I don’t deliberation it’s going to, you know, barring immoderate tragedy.

JC: Here’s the thing, not needfully merchandise related, but thing we can, we’ll spot passim 2023 is we volition proceed to spot Apple diversifying wherever it manufactures product.

MS: Yeah.

JC: It’s being written astir arsenic they’re looking to get retired of China. I don’t judge that’s true. I deliberation they volition marque arsenic galore products successful China arsenic they bash now. I deliberation they volition besides marque much products elsewhere. India is simply a large one, apt immoderate successful Mexico oregon South America, immoderate successful the U.S. similar Arizona and worldly similar that. Not conscionable chips being, manufactured but similar afloat merchandise assembly and everything. I deliberation they’ve conscionable benignant of realized determination was a batch of ratio to being benignant of cardinal But it’s not precise durable. When thing happens, you’re benignant of hosed. There are a batch of companies with large import excise taxes and worldly similar India that they request to bolster manufacturing worldwide and dispersed it out. So we’re going to spot that. We’re going to spot a batch of that passim the year.

MS: Yeah, I deliberation truthful too. And China, it’s astir intolerable for Apple to conscionable halt manufacturing things successful China for not conscionable adjacent year, for similar a decennary from now. I mean, there’s truthful overmuch of their manufacturing and their full proviso concatenation is hooked up with China. But I bash deliberation that they are making a conscious effort to diversify arsenic overmuch arsenic they can.

JC: Yeah. It’s like, volition they ever marque the iPhone successful the U.S.? Maybe if they marque a model, right? Maybe the SE is made successful like…

MS: They marque the Mac Pro.

RL: Right. Kind of similar what they did with the Mac Pro. Yeah.

MS: Yeah. I’m definite they merchantability much SEs than Mac Pros, but yeah. I mean, obviously, it’s each astir the bottommost line. They don’t enactment with China due to the fact that they emotion it there. They enactment successful China due to the fact that it’s the astir cost-effective mode to marque stuff. So it’s not conscionable them, it’s everybody. So this is thing that they’re going to person to beryllium down and fig out. And Tim Cook is that feline similar he’s an operations guy. He knows what he’s doing erstwhile it comes to each of that stuff.

JC: Oh man, he’s scaled up manufacturing to specified a ridiculous level compared to wherever it was earlier him. They’re already talking astir however galore they’re going to triple accumulation successful India and each these different things. Some of this worldly you’ll spot starting adjacent year, immoderate of this worldly you’ll spot the plans and it’ll commencement successful 2024 oregon whatever, but I deliberation those volition happen.

Another prediction conscionable popped successful my head. We volition not get Apple’s cellular modem adjacent year. It is not going to happen.

MS: Ever? Wait, you mean ever oregon adjacent year?

JC: No, not adjacent year. Will it ever happen? I deliberation they’re going to effort their best, but it’s not going to hap adjacent year. I deliberation Qualcomm again adjacent year.

MS: Yeah, I deliberation truthful too. There’s a crushed wherefore nary different large spot shaper makes a viable 5G modem due to the fact that they’re not casual and Qualcomm does it truly well.

JC: I mean, Intel couldn’t hack it. They tried. They made a second-best 4G modem that was not adjacent second-best. It was a important spread for a while.

MS: But Samsung, nary of the large companies that marque chips, bully chips, they haven’t been capable to ace it. Apple’s trying. They person Intel’s team. They person their ain team. They’ve been moving connected it for galore years. But I hold with Jason. I don’t deliberation it’s going to hap this year. I wouldn’t beryllium amazed if it doesn’t hap adjacent twelvemonth either.

JC: I would not beryllium amazed by that either.

RL: That does it for this occurrence of the Macworld Podcast, occurrence 820. Thanks to Jason Cross.

JC: Thank you.

RL: Thanks to Michael Simon.

MS: Thank you, sir.

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